Novak: I feel the joke of our friendship dynamic is anxious-avoidant. Kate is anxious about getting lunch dates on the books, which makes me avoidant. She feels me resisting and he or she goes more durable to lock down the lunch. [But] Poog has solved any points round that dynamic as a result of Kate is now in-built to my week.
Berlant: Let’s simply say I textual content you one thing and you do not reply. I am effective.
Novak: You recognize I really like you. You recognize it is coming.
Berlant: I do know if I am having a breakdown or a full factor, you will be there. If I textual content you one thing and also you don’t textual content again, I am not like, “Bitch!”
Novak: I attempt to talk to those that if it is an emotional emergency, inform me, after which I will be on immediately. I will drop every thing. It is complicated when it is all blended collectively and each textual content or cellphone name is given this similar weight of obligation. I additionally maintain coming again to, as an grownup, if it is not understanding naturally with somebody, why keep it? We’re not trapped in a college system.
Berlant: The shared understanding of one another’s limits and an encouragement not to withstand them. I am not even certain I must be saying this, however…yesterday I used to be microdosing on mushrooms and was getting very moved by my friendship with Jacqueline.
Novak: She’s mendacity round being moved.
Berlant: I FaceTimed her being like, “If she does not choose up, that is utterly effective.” When she picked up, I used to be so overwhelmed with pleasure.
Novak: I imagine you had been on the ground, writhing between cat and cow [poses]. I feel a friendship is nearly like an area that you simply occupy with somebody. We’ve got our room. And we do sure issues in our room.
Berlant: That may be a fucking genius method to strategy all relationships. We want totally different rooms for various folks!
Novak: I assume the podcast is us broadcasting from the room, a room with skincare and books blended in with equal enthusiasm. Should you had been simply my essential idea good friend, that would not be as enjoyable.
Berlant: [Laughs] That’s a part of Poog. It permits us to speak about existential crises, whereas being anchored within the uncomplicated and unintellectual actuality of serum.